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Fedora 31 Released
- by brickhouse98 ( 4677765 ) on Thursday October 31, 2019 @12:30PM (#59366516)Why is this crap ever upvoted? Don’t like it, fine. Go use KDE, XFCE, etc. etc.
Why did Redhat do its level best to bury the clearly superior KDE all those years? Rhetorical question, everybody knows the answer: because Redhat wanted to exert control over the desktop much like the control they exert over corporate servers.
Red Hat’s control efforts are really because they can fix thousands of servers from their side, instead of thousands of part time admins doing it on their own, with some doing it wrong.
Oh thank you for educating me! So Redhat’s meddling with community projects in the aid of their own corporate profits was always just purely altruistic!!! Truth!!1!!
- Let’s be honest; you aren’t really the sort to ever learn anything from anyone who actually knows what they are talking about. It’s, to quote Austin Powers, “not your thing, baby.”
Rhetorical question, everybody knows the answer: because Redhat wanted to exert control over the desktop much like the control they exert over corporate servers.
That’s a silly response. Don’t you remember back pre-GNOME2 days, RedHat was KDE by default. It wasn’t until 1998 when RedHat released their technical preview of RedHat Linux with GNOME 2.0 preview had them reconsider their primary toolkit API. RedHat, and many others, we’re attempting to move away from KDE, which is based on Qt, because of Qt’s licensing. It wasn’t until 2000 that Qt licensing was changed, but by that point many of the programmers for RedHat were head deep into Gtk 2. In 2002 RedHat h
Don’t you remember back pre-GNOME2 days, RedHat was KDE by default.
I don’t remember that because it did not happen. Redhat started the Gnome project just after KDE got started, mainly by Suse, and before that Redhat just had complete crap like TWM.
You mean like FVWM, IceWM, or WindowMaker. Because I remember those being the options. No one used TWM. Well, except for a few lunatics that is.
Motif was licensed, that is why CDE did not become the standard desktop. Then KDE was made as an alternative to CDE.
But because the Qt license which KDE used was crap, people started GNOME using the GTK libraries used in GIMP.
FWIW I still think Qt sucks as an API even vs GTK, but it does have better cross platform support.I still think Qt sucks as an API even vs GTK
You obviously have not done anything beyond toy programs with either. GTK sucks beyond belief. It just does. The UI of every program written with GTK sucks two, I give you the file open dialog as proof positive. You can just tell when GTK is sitting underneath some GUI, e.g., defaults are always wrong, dialogs open in the wrong place or even underneath other windows, crashes if you do anything even a bit unusual, etc. etc. And the source, omigod, the source. Just switch to C++ already, C just can’t do GUI i
“I don’t remember that because it did not happen. Redhat started the Gnome project just after KDE got started, mainly by Suse, “
Neither one of those claims is remotely close to being correct. Gnome was started [wikipedia.org] by Miguel de Icaza [wikipedia.org] and Frederico Mena, neither of whom were associated with Red Hat, and KDE was started by Matthias Ettrich [wikipedia.org], a student who was not an associate of SuSE. It’s time for you to accept that you are claiming to posses knowledge on this subject, but actually posses none. You might also want
“Why did Redhat do its level best to bury the clearly superior KDE all those years?”
You mean bury KDE by having both a KDE Spin [fedoraproject.org] available for those who prefer that as the default and having the complete KDE Suite available for easy install on the standard version with a single command (“sudo dnf -y group install “KDE Plasma Workspaces”)
Why is included by default in the biggest distros?
Why is included by default in the biggest distros?
Because that’s where a lot of the developers are in the DE circles. KDE ranks in at second place, but past that third place and down, number of active developers pales in comparison. Shoot, XFCE has been working on getting everything GTK 3 ready since 4.12 days (2015). 4.14 was announced in 2016 and wasn’t released until about two months ago this year. There just aren’t enough people actively working on anything else but GNOME and KDE. MATE is coming in at incremental updates about once a year and Cinn
It is a shame GNUstep never picked up because of possible licensing issues with Apple.
- “It stands alone as the world’s best desktop Linux distribution.” Citation of polling to show that?
- by LostMyAccount ( 5587552 ) on Thursday October 31, 2019 @12:26PM (#59366490)
It’s been awarded the top award for this year’s “Year of the Linux Desktop” contest.
Is “year of the Linux desktop” one of those sayings like “we’ll have practical fusion in 20 years”?
Fedora is the open source release that if you pay for support is called Red Hat. That means this is ready for some businesses to experiment with.
No. CentOS is the open source release that if you pay for support is called Red Hat. Fedora is just the test bed for stuff that if it isn’t broken enough or they think it can eventually be fixed enough to be stable may make it into RHEL someday.
- Fedora is a community driven OS with a quick release cycle, sponsored primarily by Red Hat.
Fedora becomes Red Hat with a relativity slow release cycle and paid support.
CentOS is a free community version of Red Hat.
- by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Thursday October 31, 2019 @01:10PM (#59366720) Homepage Journal
Is it an exciting release? No, not really. Sure, enthusiasts will find themselves thrilled withe inclusion of the GNOME 3.34 desktop environment
lololol
It stands alone as the world’s best desktop Linux distribution.
LOLOLOL
Who believes this shit?
Devuan? MX? Even just plain Debian?
It stands alone as the world’s best desktop Linux distribution.
LOLOLOL
Who believes this shit?
Who wrote that shit?
It’s not just Fedora (Score:5, Insightful)
by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Thursday October 31, 2019 @01:52PM (#59366902) JournalAt this time, the well known PC operating systems are all mature. To expect revolutionary changes in every release is not at all desirable. In the early days, when you’re on the steep end of the curve, sure, but at some point maturity should be an objective.
Trying to have each release be something revolutionary is the kind of thinking that gave us Vista. And Windows 8.
It bears repeating, the OS is not the application. It runs applications.
It bears repeating, the OS is not the application. It runs applications.
This sounds great but is it reality?
With Linux it seems the only two real world options you have is to compile it yourself (For mortals this is essentially asking the user to go fuck themselves) from source or cross your fingers and hope everything you want is packaged with your favorite distro and not so horribly broken and outdated that it is useless to you.
GNOME is the most unusable worthless interface imaginable. Even worse than Microsoft’s metro BS which is quite an achievement.
So it is fortunate that you can download several spins [bytemark.co.uk], I shall be trying the Mate desktop as I agree that GNOME3 is frustrating, vital feature lacking and hard to use.
- by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Thursday October 31, 2019 @04:29PM (#59367628) Homepage
Be aware that currently Fedora 31 does not support bitmap fonts (e.g. Terminus) in most graphical apps due to a removal of this feature in Pango 1.44.
A discussion of this issue is ongoing [redhat.com] with no definitive resolution yet proposed.
The easiest workaround if you’ve already updated, is to downgrade Pango to its version from Fedora 30 and add to to the list of exclusions in dnf.conf:
wget your_favourite_mirror/pango-1.43.0-4.fc30.x86_64.rpm
dnf downgrade pango-1.43.0-4.fc30.x86_64.rpm
echo exclude=pango >>It’s a major cock-up and I wonder why Fedora 31 was greenlit in the presence of this bug.
A pango developer offered users to buy [phoronix.com] hi-dpi monitors not to be affected by this issue. I’ve got no words.
- Really? I thought spellcheckers were free.
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