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Bowing To Pressure, YouTube Will Reconsider Its Harassment Policies (theverge.com) 431
Last night, YouTube said Crowder’s homophobic harassment didn’t violate any of its policies, and that Crowder’s videos would stay up. Earlier today, YouTube said that it would remove ads from Crowder’s videos, a process known as “demonetization” among YouTubers. But Crowder’s demonetization isn’t permanent; according to YouTube, Crowder can once again make money from ads if he “addresses all of the issues with his channel.”
Maza calls himself these names. (Score:5, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:51AM (#58718960)All these names Maza whines about are names that he has used when referring to himself.
Re:Maza calls himself these names. (Score:4, Insightful)
by NotSoHeavyD3 ( 1400425 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:53AM (#58718968)So basically it’s the same thing where it’s ok for blacks to use the “N” word when referring to themselves and other blacks but don’t use that word if you belong to any other race.Re:Maza calls himself these names. (Score:5, Insightful)
by Patent Lover ( 779809 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:02AM (#58719026)Not really. If you’re using it to be a dick then don’t use it.Re:Maza calls himself these names. (Score:5, Insightful)
by religionofpeas ( 4511805 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:11AM (#58719078)If you’re using it to be a dick then don’t use it.
Except if you’re using it to be a dick towards someone we don’t like. In that case, there’s no problem.
It’s still a problem even if we don’t like them. Aside from anything else, it’s pretty lazy. Can’t you even think of a better insult?
In fact insulting someone over something they can’t change (e.g. race) is pretty much the ultimate concession. If you had a better criticism you would make it, but all you have is childish name calling.
Re:Maza calls himself these names. (Score:5, Insightful)
by penandpaper ( 2463226 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @12:38PM (#58719782) Journal> it’s pretty lazy. Can’t you even think of a better insult?
It’s not about thinking of a better insult or if it’s lazy. That is a subjective opinion. The point is that Maza uses those terms with no problem so why is it a problem when Crowder does it?
>In fact insulting someone over something they can’t change (e.g. race)
Calling someone a “gay Mexican” isn’t an insult against race. Maza repeatedly refers to himself as such. Are you saying “Mexican” is an insulting slur? Or is “gay”? Quite enlightening.
No, he said to not use it if you’re being a dick, ie you’re trying to annoy or hurt someone.
In Britain, if I yell “Oi! Wankaaaaaaaaaahhhh!” at a friend across the street, I’m (obviously) not being a dick, because he’s a friend, so why would I be a dick? I’m just trying to get his attention.
If I yell it at Donald Trump, on the other hand, the very fact that Donald Trump is not my friend and in fact I’d like every molecule in his body to suddenly, through the principles of quantum teleportation, move the
Yes, context matters.
- I am a context and I am offended that you are using that word and demand you remove it from your vocabulary.
Yes that is exactly what it looks like to a third party when they see someone say “I can call myself gay but you can’t call me gay”. Maybe over time we will have to refer to it as “the G word” in the same way we refer to “the N word”, but that day is not today, and thus anyone complaining about being called gay when they call themself gay just looks silly.
Yes that is exactly what it looks like to a third party when they see someone say “I can call myself gay but you can’t call me gay”. Maybe over time we will have to refer to it as “the G word” in the same way we refer to “the N word”, but that day is not today, and thus anyone complaining about being called gay when they call themself gay just looks silly.
Context does matter. Just like you can describe me as CIS all day, but as soon as you use CIS as a put down you are crossing a line. You can call me gay all day, but as soon as you use gay as a put down you cross the line.
Granted, the line is VERY fuzzy and so shouldn’t be used as a cudgel. The consequences of crossing that line should be light.or non-existent unless proven to be excessive and repeated. I’m pretty sure you can criticize Maza without referring to his sexuality though.
Re: Maza calls himself these names. (Score:3, Informative)
A word which trannies made up in order to make themselves feel better, which roughly translates to “normal”.
It’s as if paraplegic people suddenly started calling everyone else paraunplegic. Same sort of idea.
Re: Maza calls himself these names. (Score:5, Informative)
by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @01:12PM (#58720032)“Cis” means “on the same side” in Greek and has been used in that meaning in science for ages (cis/trans isomers in chemistry, for example). Do learn some actual science.
Cisgender persons have a gender identity that matches their body parts.
Ok…so, you just mean NORMAL.
Geez, why do people have to make things more complex than they have to be?
Idiots exist, don’t let them ruin your life.
Re:Maza calls himself these names. (Score:5, Insightful)
by lgw ( 121541 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:44AM (#58719324) JournalSo basically it’s the same thing where it’s ok for blacks to use the “N” word when referring to themselves and other blacks but don’t use that word if you belong to any other race.
No, it;s not the same, because “gay” and “Latino” are not slurs. They are simply objective descriptions. “Vox reporter” is, of course, the most vile insult imaginable, so maybe Crowder crossed the line with that one. Calling someone who is publicly “out” gay or queer is not homophobia, especially if that’s part of their public persona.
This is merely the latest example of hate speech being defined as disagreement, or petty bickering. The mass migration of political commentators to Bitchute apparently caught YouTube’s attention, which surprises me since it’s a tiny part of their revenue stream. The 2017 adpocalypse caused a blip on there revenue radar, but that’s mostly because the bits ran wild, and demonetized vast swathes of innocent content.
Makes me wonder what this backtracking is actually about. For damn sure they care not at all about free speech on their platform.
I discovered BitChute from another
1. The video resolution seems to be capped at something rather low, like 360p. Just increasing it a hair to 480p would make a world of difference.
2. There’s a lot of content, but not a lot of subscribers. It’s not easy to get ranked subscriber counts but for exam
- If I accidentally drop something on my foot and say “I’m such an idiot.” it isn’t offensive. If you observe the accident and say “He’s an idiot,” yeah, you’re a major jerk. Self-deprecating humor is a pretty standard mechanism of winning over an audience and good speakers use it liberally Insulting other people is generally not well received. Also water is wet. I have no idea what in the heck motivated somebody to mod the parent up.
Re:Maza calls himself these names. (Score:4, Insightful)
by rot26 ( 240034 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:29AM (#58719218) Homepage JournalIt works very poorly unless you redefine “racism” and “bigotry” to include anything that offends you.Is that what you meant?
Re:Maza calls himself these names. (Score:5, Insightful)
by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @12:24PM (#58719648) Homepage JournalYeah, I don’t get it.I’ve seen Crowder a few times, sometimes interesting, sometimes funny, but I’m not what I would consider a fan of him. He just comes up on my things to watch suggestions at times.
But he is just using the same terms the Maza fellow from Vox uses, and it doing it with humor.
And since both are considered to be public figures at this point, I would think humor and satire is fair game, no?
Geez, in today’s world, we’d never have a Richard Pryor or George Carlin.
Man…we REALLY need them now too….RIP.
I don’t think calling someone a name on a YT video, rates as harassment. Harassment is something that causes you true harm, like throwing things at your house, trash on your lawn, trying to get you fired from your employer….yelling at you in meatspace with people all round, etc.
But a video that you have a choice not to watch saying something about you (as long as it isn’t libelous)….is not harassment.
If you make yourself a public figure, you are open for satire, and yes, even some ridicule.
Kathy Griffin… The problem with her Trump severed head is that it wasn’t a punchline. It wasn’t funny. And it’s entirely plausible that Kathy Griffin would be happy to see Trump decapitated. A roast is funny if it is done by your friends. It’s not comedy if your enemies are performing it…
The correct answer is “I’m not touching that with a 10 foot pole”.
The correct answer is “I’m not touching that with a 10 foot pole”.
What? 10 Foot? You freaking METRIST! Call it how it wants to be called: 3.048m pole, you hater…
1984 comes….
When “speech” becomes governed by a list of words which are not acceptable to utter, have we not departed from freedom? Yep. IF the list of words varies based on your race or political positions, is that fair? Nope… The problem here is U-Tube isn’t being honest or consistent about their criteria of what’s acceptable content and what’s not. They are not being fair or following an objective set of content rules. Remember “Diamond and Silk” and their issue? Crowder is generally the same v
So the simple solution is, if you don’t like it, never use it.
Otherwise you need to prove that a conservative person (odd you said “man”) could say “fag” and mean something playful. Or could even be referring to the Brit Slang (when I went to the US working many a year ago, had a sidekick with me that always used slang a lot. He turned to a guy in a restaurant and asked if “he could bum a fag” (meaning “could he have a cigarette from the guy”. Things got awful quiet.
Under your take, everyone needs to
How do you draw the line between free speech and harassment? Especially, how do you address the issue when there are millions of videos that potentially need to be evaluated for inappropriate content. YouTube is faced with an impossible situation. If they crack down further on extremist content, the accusations of bias against conservative views is just going to get more vocal.
It’s pretty simple really. If it’s a liberal then it’s fine, but if it’s a right-winger it’s not.
So the liberal called the right-winger a gay latino and little queer? Because obviously it was ok.
- It is perfectly OK. After all, VOX did the same thing [vox.com] to an openly queer guy who refers to himself as a “dangerous faggot” and is married to a black guy. But he’s conservative, so we can’t have his kind of talk around. Thus being demonetized on Youtube, and being permanently banned from Facebook. All because the black-loving, dangerous faggot says things that SJWs don’t like.
If it’s a liberal, the liberal will usually be banned. If it’s the conservative, the conservative will be demonetized. That’s the main difference.
Seriously???
When is the last time you saw or heard of a liberal channel being banned, demonetized or even scolded with a slap on the hand?
Hell, they get away with much more egregious stuff than what this Crowder guy was saying…MUCH more.
All. The. Fucking. Time [advocate.com] (just one example of one area in which liberal views are 100% censored for no apparent reason – not even something likely to cause people to harass other people).
Maybe you should stop listening to your fucking echo chamber. Liberals have been screaming about this for years, but it’s always the snowflake rightists who think they’re being victimized.
(And when someone does demonetize a right wing channel, it’s always about harassment, it’s never about the PoV of the channel, unlike
Re:An extremely difficult issue (Score:5, Informative)
by religionofpeas ( 4511805 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:00AM (#58719018)How do you draw the line between free speech and harassment?
YouTube solves that by not drawing a line. They use a bunch of fuzzy feelings that they can’t explain, giving them the flexibility to judge a channel as they see fit.
From the summary:
Crowder can once again make money from ads if he “addresses all of the issues with his channel.”
Some of the issues are from videos he made in 2015, and this is the first time they are complaining about it. This isn’t realistic. YouTube is not willing or able to give Crowder a list of rules that he should follow, or even list all the videos that are in violation.
Some of the issues are from videos he made in 2015, and this is the first time they are complaining about it. This isn’t realistic.
Why not? He could just delete them. I doubt be makes much money from old videos anyway, given that his channel is mostly current affairs. If he really wants to he could go back and edit them.
Why shouldn’t a service be able to change it’s rules over time? Expecting absolute perfection from V1.0 of the ToS is… unrealistic.
Re:An extremely difficult issue (Score:5, Insightful)
by religionofpeas ( 4511805 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:45AM (#58719338)Why not? He could just delete them
He is not being given a comprehensive list.
If he really wants to he could go back and edit them.
How can he edit out the offensive parts, if YouTube doesn’t tell him what they are ?
Why shouldn’t a service be able to change it’s rules over time?
Sure, but not on a whim, inconsistently, without warning or explanation, or without a grace period. If a video has been up for 3-4 years, and was always considered acceptable, it can’t be that bad that it needs to be removed this very instant. Why not give content creators a reasonable amount of time, and a clear list of offending videos + timestamp + rule # violation.
Crowder has a comprehensive list. In fact YouTube highlights the exact parts of any video that have issues with content or copyright for you.
Having said that, the only request YouTube has actually made a condition of re-monetizing his channel is that he deletes the link in he description to his shop selling “socialism is for fags” t-shirts.
Re:An extremely difficult issue (Score:4, Interesting)
by rtb61 ( 674572 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:17AM (#58719116) HomepageHow do you draw the line between free speech and harassment, like what the fuck is going on, have people suddenly turned stupid or do they truly believe Google is above the law and can define it for the rest of us. FUCK GOOGLE, how do you draw the law, in fucking court, that is how you draw the line. If the act is not sufficient to warrant a court case, that Google should shut the fuck up and not think Google==GOD and can tell us all how to behave beyond the requirements of law.
Has everyone gone stupid, tell Google to go fuck itself and stick to the law and stop trying to be the law to set itself above and beyond the law. Why do people put up with this insanely egoistic US corporate. Those cunts are not Gods beyond the law, they are bound by our decrees, not us by theirs. Tell google to fuck off and stick to the fucking law. It is google that is harassing the people, trying to force behaviour on the people that favours Google’s executives greed and ego, remember who is the customer and who is the servant.
Has everyone gone stupid, tell Google to go fuck itself and stick to the law
The law says that Google can deplatform anyone they want, because it’s their platform.
I personally think that they ought to be regulated since they have a dominant market position that has a chilling effect on other video sites, but they are operating within the law as written. The DoJ could conceivably force them to operate differently, and Google is being considered for antitrust action right now, but it hasn’t happened yet.
TL;DR: Google is operating within the law, as you insist, right now.
I have bad news for you. If Google is regulated it won’t be to ensure they don’t boot people like Crowder off their service. Politicians are far, far worse when it comes to misguided attempts to uphold moral values.
There are practical issues too. Say the legislation forces Google to keep these videos up, are they also going to force advertisers to buy YouTube ads even if they appear along side them? What is the criteria for being forced to buy a YouTube ad? Or would tax money be used to cover the lost ad re
Mod this up. Google could simply say, “If you want someone taken down, go get a court order.”
What law? It is their website. They can ban anyone for anything. Welcome to corporatism. Enjoy your stay.
Well, the law basically says that it’s Google’s servers and they will host whatever they damn well please, so… what again was your argument?
I know how my mother handled it.
“I don’t care who started it. I’m going to finish it.”
Show of hands from all those that heard this and stopped arguing.
In this case, YouTube would kick Crowder off for being insufficiently woke, and Maza off for being a whiny little bitch. (He was making a joke at your expense, Maza. Grow a pair, already.)
And I wonder why YouTube doesn’t just do exactly that.
Not difficult at all. Youtube is owned by a corporation and they are not subject to “free speech” laws and they can moderate speech on their site as they wish. Pretty simple.
demanding that a private company monetize your free speech for you?
The real issue is that the rules aren’t clear or constant, and there’s very little opportunity to get an explanation. You can spend a couple of years making a decent living off of YouTube videos, and then suddenly get a notification that your entire channel no longer is acceptable for monitization.
And if I was YouTube I wouldn’t do it any other way. As soon as you put down rules, people start looking for loopholes. Sorry, no. “Don’t be an asshole” is enough of a rule.
- by msauve ( 701917 )
“Don’t be an asshole” is enough of a rule.
No. That’s too one-sided. Fidonet got it right –
1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.
2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed. As soon as you put down rules, people start looking for loopholes
Just follow the law, and let complainers go to court in edge cases. Let advertisers choose the channels they do/do not wish to appear on. Let people set up personal mute/block/favorites.
Don’t be an asshole” is enough of a rule.
Except that it can be applied randomly, depending on bias of YouTube.
How do you draw the line between free speech and harassment?
How do you draw the line between free speech and demanding that a private company monetize your free speech for you?
YouTube is a company that poses as a place where “you”, the public, can post, and yes, monetize videos. It’s literally in the name (YouTube).
If they want to be UsTube, or PeopleWhoAgreeWithOurManagementTube or whatever, fine. Would be nice if they were open about it though.
The Left owns the public square now. That seems to have significantly narrowed their view of what free speech is.
They did start their own sites, then they got “de-banked”. You should pay attention.
de-banked? What’s what, they can’t rock the boat anymore?
Freedom to be a dick is why we have freedom of speech declared in the Constitution. Why would we ever have a need to declare that “amiable conversation” needs to be protected? If you take a long look in the mirror, you might discover an authoritarian.
So, by your own logic, given that I find your lack of understanding of what free speech means and why it is important, and find your use of vulgarity offensive, I am not responsible for doing you physical harm?
Your position is not tenable, and is actually self contradictory, not to mention destructive to a free society.
Well, that’s usually what people get told when they complain about underhanded practices of corporations. Go and make your own, nobody stops you!
What’s good for the goose…
- by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:54AM (#58718976) Homepage Journal
Last week, Maza tweeted a very viral thread about how Crowder had targeted him for harassment, calling him — among other epithets — a “lispy sprite,” a “little queer,” and a “gay Latino from Vox.”
Sprite isn’t particularly negative, and lispy is descriptive. Little queer might be an insult. Gay Latino from Vox sounds descriptive. Is that a teapot? It appears to contain a tempest.
Re:Hmm, wait (Score:5, Insightful)
by iCEBaLM ( 34905 ) <icebalm AT icebalm DOT com> on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:58AM (#58718998)Especially when Maza’s twitter handle is “gaywonk”.
geez, we better notify the “queer eye for the straight guy” gay fellers that they’re slurring themselves
Re:Hmm, wait (Score:4, Interesting)
by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:03AM (#58719032) JournalAnd Carlos is around 5’8″; compared to Steven Crowder (6’2″) he is little. And he is self-proclaimed as queer, so even that one is not an insult… SJWs just getting their panties in a bind. They need to take a clue from Sgt, Hulka [youtube.com].For some reason the summary doesn’t list the worst stuff. It’s not just individual insults though, as Maza makes clear. It’s the pattern of behaviour over a very long period of time.
Last he someone doxed him, and he got hundreds of texts telling him to debate Crowder. Every time Crowder attacks him in a video, reminding his mob that Maza is gay and Latino, he gets more abuse.
YouTube has so far demonetized Crowder’s channel until he removes links to a personal shop selling a t-shirt that says “socialism is f
For some reason the summary doesn’t list the worst stuff.
pssssst “Slashdot”
Last he someone doxed him,
Did Crowder dox him? That would be offensive.
and he got hundreds of texts telling him to debate Crowder.
Did Crowder instigate the texting?
YouTube has so far demonetized Crowder’s channel until he removes links to a personal shop selling a t-shirt that says “socialism is for fags”.
That’s their right, I guess, but it seems pretty anti-free-speech. I’m not sure they should be allowed to be that restrictive given their position in the market.
It’s impossible to know, but the important thing is that Crowder didn’t do much to stop it.
I disagree. I think the important thing is whether he initiated it.
He gave a few token denouncements but didn’t stop his attacks on Maza, didn’t stop using that language.
So he did do something to stop it, you just don’t think it was enough. You want him to take responsibility for other people. Is there somewhere that I can find examples of genuinely offensive epithets, and not simply repeating things that were said by the person he’s supposedly insulting? Because I’m willing to accept that he crossed a line, if I see some evidence of same.
Doesn’t Crowder care what people do in his name? Not even enough to try to use his influence to make them stop?
Probably not, and most people don’t. Look at the big orange baby. He’s
YouTube has so far demonetized Crowder’s channel until he removes links to a personal shop selling a t-shirt that says “socialism is for fags”.
It says f*gs, with a little fig leaf instead of *
It says f*gs, with a little fig leaf instead of *
Ah, well, that’s okay then, changes the meaning completely.
Socialism is for fags? That’s not even remotely true, fags are paying way more into the social service network than they take out. They pay way more tax than they get back. If anything, socialism is for families.
Why Is It Always Conservatives… (Score:3, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:56AM (#58718984)… that get banned and demonitized?
It’s not as if the left isn’t pretty “edgy” – yet almost never do they get held annually accountable by the owners of the town square… I mean, the common carrier… I mean the curated platforms.
Re:Why Is It Always Conservatives… (Score:5, Insightful)
by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:41AM (#58719306)… that get banned and demonitized?
It’s not as if the left isn’t pretty “edgy” – yet almost never do they get held annually accountable by the owners of the town square… I mean, the common carrier… I mean the curated platforms.
Why, because they are so wrong! Isn’t it obvious?
The Left owns the town square now
Because it’s almost always Conservatives that escalate to violence, or just antisocial acts. It’s the followers of the conservacuck in this battle that have done the doxxing and the harassment. Google doesn’t have any direct means of controlling the masses of asses since they are so numerous, but they can reduce their supply of new bullshit, so that’s what they’re doing.
The left says all kinds of stuff, but it doesn’t drag people from the bumper of a truck, or beat people into the hospital for having a cock
Because it’s almost always Conservatives that escalate to violence, or just antisocial acts.
Spoken like someone who has never seen an Antifa mob in action.
If we can’t find an enemy we make one up. (Score:4, Interesting)
by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:58AM (#58718996)I have seen so much hate on boards and You Tube because it seems like people are trying to find the group of people who is responsible for the problems in their lives.
They are people who happened to be born with different traits, grew up in different cultures, have faced influences that are unique, which gives them a particular view of the world.While people have the right to their opinions, people need to make sure they are not just being cruel with their opinions. Unfortunately we need the sites that publish such opinions to have a method of moderating them. Yes this could be considered censoring, but for a lot of this stuff posted there is a clear line between just hateful talk vs discussing a controversial subject, or just having an unpopular opinion.
Re:If we can’t find an enemy we make one up. (Score:5, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:08AM (#58719058)I disagree with your opinion + I am shaking because of it.
It is absolute hate speech to me.
Your comment should be removed, and you should be banned.
Thanks for illustrating why YouTube has a policy, and an appeals process, and decisions are made by groups of people rather than individuals. You may be a precious snowflake but most people are not, and one snowflake doesn’t get to set the bar.
I disagree with your opinion + I am shaking because of it.
Try a Xanax.
I’m sure you’re trolling, so congrats on a nice one. But I’ll PSA anyway, Anyone who finds themselves angry to shaking because of something they read online is only harming themselves. Learn to be cool, kids. Then you can make decisions based on intellect instead of glands.
Re:If we can’t find an enemy we make one up. (Score:5, Insightful)
by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:17AM (#58719114)So Chinese model of “harmonious society” that must “consider the feelings of the people”.
I have only one question. How long does your model take to devolve into “retraining facilities” for Uighurs/people to the right of Stalin?
I am not going to use the word “gulag”, because that word is obviously going to be banned shortly because we can’t have people remember the inconvenient events to The Ideology. No Tank Man here. Move along.
It isn’t that you need to consider their feelings, however make sure you are not attacking the wrong thing. Most of the time it isn’t you hurt my feelings, but you are trying to get people to riot against me, and probably do harm to me and my peers.
It is the standard Us vs. Them combined with the fear of the unknown.
I have had discussions with MANY racists. Mainly those who said that all foerigners should go back to their own country. When I pointed out that I would be one of them, all said that I was the exception. When I asked if they knew a (most of the times) Marocan person and asked if that person specifically should leave, all said no, because he or she was an exception.
As you said, people will start pointing at others. Be it jews, communists, D
What is worse there is a lot of diversity within the Us. The Rural Poor Republican vs The Urban Wealthy Republican. The Hippie Democrat vs the Union Democrat.
For nearly every group of people, there is little unity within them other then stating they are in the group.For example, in the military you will get people of opposing politics, races, and social structures, they may be a lot of friction… But when they are in the trenches of war, they become best friends. Because they have a commonality and they a
Stirring up hatred has always been an easy tactic. Groups are the most common target because they are easy to identify and dehumanize.
Groups are the most common target because they are easy to identify and dehumanize
As demonstrated here:
You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They’re racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it.
This is in the finer line. The _Half_ part in general means it isn’t everyone, and that they are people who are Trump supporters who do not enjoy cruel nature, however stand by other attributes that are more positive. However Clinton mistake was in general insulting people without actual facts to back them off. This was a political mistake, because it made it seem to the people who are on the fence, that if President Clinton wouldn’t support the problems of her political allies.
I agree that Clinton was tr
Or, people could, you know, GROW THE FUCK UP!!
Someone made fun of you or called you names. Why did you not learn how insignificant that is in grade school like everybody else?Or, people could, you know, GROW THE FUCK UP!!
Someone made fun of you or called you names. Why did you not learn how insignificant that is in grade school like everybody else?Took me a bit longer than grade school. But eventually I did realize words only hurt if you let them.
But, there’s a huge chunk of people who still insist that words hurt as much as a physical object. Those people are the ones driving this modern wave of censorship.
Why must the rest of the populace bend to this group’s will?
But Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a feckless cunt is totally cool… Youtube seems to only ban and demonetize in one direction.
- The word “little” modifies “queer” which is, itself, an adjective that is being used to describe a specific person. That person is a “queer”, and that queer person is “little”. It’s kind of mind boggling to me that someone would think that an insult like “dumb bitch” would somehow apply, not to the individual at which it is directed, but to all “bitches” (whatever that might be).
There’s really no reason to perceive an insult, directed at an individual, as being somehow also applied to all instances of wh
Did Bee do it repeatedly over a long period of time, resulting in her fans doxing and repeatedly attacking Ivanka Trump?
What do the YouTube Terms say about “long periods”, and stupid actions of “fans” ?
What do the YouTube Terms say about “long periods”, and stupid actions of “fans” ?
Fuck-all. The YouTube ToS is left intentionally vague so as to give Google wiggle room on what they do or don’t take down. However, that is utterly, totally, and in all other ways completely orthogonal to the point, which is what is or is not antisocial behavior. Google is running a social video-sharing site, and antisocial actions threaten its well-being, so they essentially have to remove antisocial users from their service if they want it to continue to function. Insulting a highly public figure and memb
Carlos Maza works for Vox which owns The Verge (Score:2, Insightful)
by Anonymous CowardThis is hardly what I’d consider an objective outlet to use to describe what’s happening.
- SOMEBODY +1 THIS SHIT
- by dicobalt ( 1536225 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:10AM (#58719066)A platform where anything controversial gets independent creators demonitized. All while the corporate channels like CNN/FOX can say whatever crazy shit they want to say and have the full support of first class monetization.
Not a conservative. (Score:2, Interesting)
Stephen Crowder is not a conservative media personality, he’s a conspiracy theorist and an asshole. The whole reason he doesn’t like Carlos Maza is because Carlos debunks Stephen’s bullshit claims.
Conservatism is getting a really bad name from all these assholes claiming they are conservative when they don’t even believe in the basics of conservatism.
He calls himself a libertarian.
Re:Not a conservative. (Score:4, Insightful)
by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:51AM (#58719366)Stephen Crowder is not a conservative media personality, he’s a conspiracy theorist and an asshole. The whole reason he doesn’t like Carlos Maza is because Carlos debunks Stephen’s bullshit claims.
Conservatism is getting a really bad name from all these assholes claiming they are conservative when they don’t even believe in the basics of conservatism.
Then let everyone watch his videos and see what an asshole he is.
Why be so afraid of him?
- This isn’t a conflict between two media personalities. It’s Vox grinding an axe against YouTube in the media space. If Vox can knock out YouTube, it can pick up more advertising dollars. Vox haven’t had much luck going after Pewdiepie and YouTube for the last five years. Shouting homophobia is more effective than shouting Nazism.
It now is. There was a time when conservativism stood for wanting stability, continuity and predictability. Not because it’s easier or “because I say so”, but simply because people were satisfied with what they had and thought that change has a higher chance of causing more harm than good. They did actually look for what was offered by change but rejected it because they were convinced that the current model is superior.
I don’t know when this changed, but most of those that consider themselves conservatives
It now is. There was a time when conservativism stood for wanting stability, continuity and predictability.
IOW, keeping the clock from advancing. Not quite as bad as running it backwards, but still ignorant at best. If you stand still, someone else will exceed your achievements, and eat your lunch. People who think we can have other kinds of progress without social progress don’t understand progress.
One sided description.. (Score:5, Interesting)
by slashkitty ( 21637 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:18AM (#58719122) HomepageNot one mention of Maza’s calls of violence!Re:One sided description.. (Score:5, Informative)
by guruevi ( 827432 ) <evi&evcircuits,com> on Thursday June 06, 2019 @12:48PM (#58719878) Homepagehttps://twitter.com/gaywonk/st… [twitter.com]
But I’m sure you will explain that one away.
- by nightcats ( 1114677 ) <nightmeow@@@gmail…com> on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:21AM (#58719152) Homepage Journal“Blue Ribbon Commission”: A 12-pack of PBR ought to get everyone in a convivial mood.
If YouTube hadn’t bowed to pressure from an SJW who hates everything he disagrees with (seriously, look back at his videos and tweets and you’ll see), YT would never have been in this situation in the first place. And if had only affected Crowder, it probably would not have been amplified like it was. However, it was another example of mass action across independent and conservative content creators (check #VoxAdpocalypse for e.g.). This was another round of censorship against those who do not subscribe to
- by jwymanm ( 627857 ) on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:35AM (#58719266) HomepageFreedom is losing every damn week lately. We’ve raised babies on the net and they are just feeding off each other’s hubris. Pitchfork mentality has got to stop.
- by sinij ( 911942 )It will not stop on its own. Humans are hard-wired to be tribal and violent, and when you release a bunch of young and immature human beings into digital Lord of the Flies land, what comes out on the other end is ruthless, manipulative, and highly tribal miscreants. Only now we are noticing this as it is starting to spill out of digital realm into real world.
Seriously, YouTube. Why not go “fuck you both, trying to inflate your importance, or hide the lack thereof, by blowing this shit out of proportion and dragging me into it. You know what? I’m better off without either of you. Screw you. Both of you. Get lost!”
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